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09 February 2008 @ 06:29 am
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When I was much younger, I had some serious financial problems. I fell behind on a lot of credit card payments, and I was dogged by bill collectors for several years. My credit report was in the toilet. Over time I settled most of those debts, and I was delighted a few years back to realize that I'd kept my nose clean long enough that my credit reports were pristine again. Now I keep only one credit card, and I'm paranoid about carrying a balance on it for even one month.

So I was quite distressed recently when we started getting automated calls from a bill collector. Finally I called the outfit back yesterday. They claimed to have two credit card accounts of mine in default that had been charged off to them. The account numbers seemed vaguely familiar, but the whole situation struck me as fishy. I said I would call the bank and verify those accounts before continuing any discussion.

The bank in question happened to be my current bank, and the issuer of my current credit card. The bank could find no record of those two accounts, which they said meant one of two things: either those accounts had been charged off to bill collectors so long ago that they no longer had active records of them, or they had never existed at all. They advised me to fax an inquiry to their security department for further investigation, and to get copies of my credit reports to make sure there's nothing wrong on them. They also told me that from my records I looked like an excellent customer.

I grabbed copies of my annual free credit reports from the three big agencies. All clean.

So I did a little digging online and discovered that the collection agency in question is a scavenger debt collector, which is a company that purchases old, old debt for pennies on the dollar and then attempts to collect on it, usually by underhanded means. In many cases, the statute of limitations for those collections has long since run out.

Armed with a little more information, I called the collector back. I had a direct line for the woman I had spoken with earlier. Here's how it went:

Me:  We spoke earlier about reference number [blah blah digits]?
Them:  Yes, let me bring that up. Okay.
Me:  The statute of limitations has run out on that debt.
Them:  What? Are you going to pay this?
Me:  The statute of limitations has run out on that debt.
Them:  Are you going to pay this?
Me:  When was this debt charged off by [Blah Blah Bank]?
Them:  Let me see. September 1995.
Me:  That's over 12 years ago! The statute of limitations has run out on that debt.
Them:  Are you going to pay this?
Me:  No.
Them:  We're going to take action.
[dead air]
It took me a moment to realize that the line had gone dead. They'd hung up on me! They had hung up on me! There wasn't even a pause after the word "action"! Punching the disconnect button was part of their script! I was furious.

It will be, er, interesting to see what happens next.
 
 
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PixelFish[info]pixelfish on February 9th, 2008 01:46 pm (UTC)
Great info. Thanks for bringing this up. I too had similar issues to yours, and have similarly cleaned up. (I got one of the college credit cards, and fortunately didn't go too far with my new financial options, but still, you know, far enough.)(

Plus I'm still trying to get somebody removed from my credit report who has the same name as me and declared bankruptcy in Montana, but because she also seems to have lived in Utah, occasionally I get dinged for her old Utah bills too. So this info is good to have, just in case. (Side note: if you and Laura ever decide to have kids or adopt or whatever, give them a middle name. I don't have one, and I seem to be the default Elizabeth Mitchell for credit reporting. It SUCKS.)
karen_w_newton[info]karen_w_newton on February 9th, 2008 07:24 pm (UTC)
I'm not saying people shouldn't pay their debts, but a lot of bill collectors make a good living inspiring terror in people who are already in sad shape (most debtors don't have your smarts).
leilani: politics[info]leilani on February 10th, 2008 12:48 am (UTC)
I'm sure you know this, but don't reply in any way, shape or form to these guys. As long as your credit reports checked out okay, you have NOTHING to worry about.
(Anonymous) on February 17th, 2008 12:42 am (UTC)
I made stupid mistake - spoke to scavenge debt collectors on the phone
I spoke to collectors on the phone last year (debt was in Fall of 1998 and it dormant for 9 years) - I didn't accept that debt is valid, I said that it is not valid.
Now they placed it to collection.
Should I sue?
Comrade Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev[info]brezhnev on February 14th, 2008 04:17 pm (UTC)
Record your calls. Next time they call, tell them once more that it's past statute of limitations and they cannot collect. If they keep bugging you, then you can take the tape to a lawyer and get some sue-me money out of it. Knowing lawyers, they'll probably settle for a few thou and take a third of it, but you'll still be ahead. If you need suggestions for recording equipment, see if you can get an answer from feedback@lindatripp.com
When I was much younger, I had some serious financial problems. I fell behind on a lot of credit card payments, and I was dogged by bill collectors for several years. My credit report was in the toilet. Over time I settled most of those debts, and I was delighted a few years back to realize that I'd kept my nose clean long enough that my credit reports were pristine again. Now I keep only one credit card, and I'm paranoid about carrying a balance on it for even one month.

So I was quite distressed recently when we started getting automated calls from a bill collector. Finally I called the outfit back yesterday. They claimed to have two credit card accounts of mine in default that had been charged off to them. The account numbers seemed vaguely familiar, but the whole situation struck me as fishy. I said I would call the bank and verify those accounts before continuing any discussion.

The bank in question happened to be my current bank, and the issuer of my current credit card. The bank could find no record of those two accounts, which they said meant one of two things: either those accounts had been charged off to bill collectors so long ago that they no longer had active records of them, or they had never existed at all. They advised me to fax an inquiry to their security department for further investigation, and to get copies of my credit reports to make sure there's nothing wrong on them. They also told me that from my records I looked like an excellent customer.

I grabbed copies of my annual free credit reports from the three big agencies. All clean.

So I did a little digging online and discovered that the collection agency in question is a scavenger debt collector, which is a company that purchases old, old debt for pennies on the dollar and then attempts to collect on it, usually by underhanded means. In many cases, the statute of limitations for those collections has long since run out.

Armed with a little more information, I called the collector back. I had a direct line for the woman I had spoken with earlier. Here's how it went:

Me:  We spoke earlier about reference number [blah blah digits]?
Them:  Yes, let me bring that up. Okay.
Me:  The statute of limitations has run out on that debt.
Them:  What? Are you going to pay this?
Me:  The statute of limitations has run out on that debt.
Them:  Are you going to pay this?
Me:  When was this debt charged off by [Blah Blah Bank]?
Them:  Let me see. September 1995.
Me:  That's over 12 years ago! The statute of limitations has run out on that debt.
Them:  Are you going to pay this?
Me:  No.
Them:  We're going to take action.
[dead air]
It took me a moment to realize that the line had gone dead. They'd hung up on me! They had hung up on me! There wasn't even a pause after the word "action"! Punching the disconnect button was part of their script! I was furious.

It will be, er, interesting to see what happens next.
 
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